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20 Hours Ago	? #4
? DIYMA Regular Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 592 Thanks: 48 Thanked 39 Times in 35 Posts	Yep, the only media coverage was 'sprited debate', 'heated', etc. Not one mention of a guy being attacked. The whole issue is amusing if it hadn't of turned violent. So the state basically passes a law, which it never should have needed to do, that actually gives people the right to choose to join a union instead of being forced to, and the union people get all wacked out over it. Heaven forbid if someone is allowed to actually make a choice. Instead of trying to use logic to persuade workers to join their union they have to resort to tactics like this, like teachers not showing up for work, and other nonsense. Oh wait, did I just suggest unions and liberals actually use logic? My bad...
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? Inka-Dinka-Doo-er Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Honk Posts: 586 Thanks: 1 Thanked 20 Times in 16 Posts	When you say that "MSM have been blocking coverage of this story", who counts as "MSM" and what counts as blocking coverage? I was sent this link by someone else yesterday: Michigan
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? DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Age: 31 Posts: 1,513 Thanks: 71 Thanked 61 Times in 53 Posts	oh fuck i fell for reading this bull shit. democrats bad, republicans good republicans bad, democrats good tea party this, tea party that it appears the new american way is to blame someone else? okay back to work, some of us have to keep this bloodsucking country going
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17 Hours Ago	? #11
? DIYMA Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LA Posts: 4,283 Thanks: 28 Thanked 89 Times in 76 Posts	I live in a place that historically, has shunned the unions. I have been raised to believe that a union is a corruption of power, and their formation in industry is like turning over an hourglass, the time for a company to be able to do business and turn a profit, is on borrowed time. this is what has been shown in the automotive industries, with profitable plants being located in right-to-work states, and Detroit becoming a wasteland. If the truth is not made plain enough for voters, and liberal bullshit artists are able to still sway a majority of ANY state's referendum on right-to-work grounds, that should be a warning to the country at large, how corrupt the system has been gamed. This attack by union personnel likely disguised as "rogue elements" of the union battalions, is the impotent rage, liberal suckasses like to throw about in regard to the recent presidential farce of an election... it makes me smile that union fat cats are losing their grip, losing their free ride on the backs of American workers. I hope it continues, and the common sense that was shown by legislators in Michigan be a sounding bell for educators to quit obfuscating the union's corrupt operations at the expense of their free ride, as well.
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17 Hours Ago	? #13
? DIYMA Regular Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 592 Thanks: 48 Thanked 39 Times in 35 Posts	There was a time when unions did real good for workers, namely with workplace safety. However everything good that they accomplished is now federal law so they have no solid ground anymore and just keep lying to their workers who think they are needed. They take their dues, have their nice fancy retreats, pay off politicians and cause disruption (strikes) when whey want. Now, some of that could be said about big corporations, with the exception of disruptions, the only difference is at least corps actually create jobs and provide a marketable service of some kind. Their only real claim now is collective bargaining. Funny, because I've never once in my life needed someone else to negotiate my salary or benefits. And if I got fed up, I left for someplace else. Done it many times.
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17 Hours Ago	? #15
? DIYMA Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LA Posts: 4,283 Thanks: 28 Thanked 89 Times in 76 Posts	Quote: The education establishment is a whole 'nother can of worms, unionization is but one of it's problems. I think the teacher's unions cause the greatest bottleneck in education for the nation about unions and their abuses of power. If the teachers were honest, and didn't hide aspects of union involvement that were scurrilous at best and organized crime, at worst... then a bunch of the voting public would be aware of the dark side of unions instead of being preached as the answer for teacher's happiness, which equates to teachers who give a damn, if that was a logical relationship.... because, most people actually don't want to know, they only see their self-interest and if they are employed by a union, they especially don't want to see their good benefits of paying dues, be smeared by the bad. education about unions, on a macro level and without the whole "evil corporations want to take advantage of workers" mentality, would help alleviate the burden on companies that could tighten their belts and not go under, but union contractual obligations are killing the America that was built not so long ago. The tide is turning though, even with a union sympathizer in power at the top, the people are wising up and voting with more clarity, you can only fool some of the people all the time, you can't fool all of them.
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? DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Age: 31 Posts: 1,513 Thanks: 71 Thanked 61 Times in 53 Posts	Quote: ?All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing? If i was in the top 2%, I'd be scared Barack is a good man, who'll do what needs to be done ! Should i go ahead and finish stitching my red flag?
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12 Hours Ago	? #22
? DIYMA Novice Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: right here Posts: 376 Thanks: 1 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts	Quote: I think the teacher's unions cause the greatest bottleneck in education for the nation about unions and their abuses of power. If the teachers were honest, and didn't hide aspects of union involvement that were scurrilous at best and organized crime, at worst... then a bunch of the voting public would be aware of the dark side of unions instead of being preached as the answer for teacher's happiness, which equates to teachers who give a damn, if that was a logical relationship.... because, most people actually don't want to know, they only see their self-interest and if they are employed by a union, they especially don't want to see their good benefits of paying dues, be smeared by the bad. education about unions, on a macro level and without the whole "evil corporations want to take advantage of workers" mentality, would help alleviate the burden on companies that could tighten their belts and not go under, but union contractual obligations are killing the America that was built not so long ago. The tide is turning though, even with a union sympathizer in power at the top, the people are wising up and voting with more clarity, you can only fool some of the people all the time, you can't fool all of them. You are assuming that the schools are even teaching relevant skills these days.
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11 Hours Ago	? #23
? Approved Vendor Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In car audio land Posts: 1,810 12V Company: High Definition Mobile Audio Position: Owner Thanks: 78 Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts	I love to get in these teacher discussion threads, since this turned out to be one. You guys really want to know what is killing education in America??? I'll give you a hint, it's not the unions. Still don't know....okay, it is a combination of things collapsing in on each other. 1)Atrocious parenting, where kids aren't held responsible for anything they do (because you can't upset your kids or inconvenience yourself - I mean, parents too self involved with their own lives to REALLY give a damn....work, facebook, forums...etc.). 2)F'ing no child left behind (passed by George W and politicians who haven't the first clue how and what is needed to actually make a positive difference). Kids have realized how to manipulate the system under this new law are don't have to do much of anything anymore to pass, little lone learn something. You can lead a horse to water all day long, but you can't force it to drink!
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11 Hours Ago	? #24
? DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Age: 31 Posts: 1,513 Thanks: 71 Thanked 61 Times in 53 Posts	Quote: Atrocious parenting, where kids aren't held responsible for anything they do (because you can't upset your kids or inconvenience yourself - I mean, parents too self involved with their own lives to REALLY give a game....work, facebook, forums...etc.) that is it, very simplistic i would also add that America's problem is mainly the thing
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10 Hours Ago	? #25
? DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Area 51 Posts: 1,463 Thanks: 29 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	Quote: 1)Atrocious parenting, where kids aren't held responsible for anything they do (because you can't upset your kids or inconvenience yourself - I mean, parents too self involved with their own lives to REALLY give a game....work, facebook, forums...etc.). 2)F'ing no child left behind (passed by George W and politicians who haven't the first clue how and what is needed to actually make a positive difference). Kids have realized how to manipulate the system under this new law are don't have to do much of anything anymore to pass, little lone learn something. You can lead a horse to water all day long, but you can't force it to drink! Exactly. Parents don't enforce studying and then blame the teachers when their kid fails. Oh but wait, we can't single out little jimmy can we? Of course not, just let him pass. Can you blame teachers for being jaded? The Japanese have it right. They single out the kids that are having trouble and then have them perform the task in front of the class until they get it right. Can you even imagine if that were to happen here? There would be a lawsuit, people getting fired, all hell would break loose. It's pathetic.
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